(Michael Jordan/BPE) "The aircraft sat in that field until the 90s when it was . SO YOU MISSED ALL THE MAGAZINES AND ARTICLES COVERING ALL THE WRECK RECOVERYS ETC. Like the Zero, its speed and ordnance-carrying capabilities were very good at the expense of crew protection. Our model is a B-25J which didnt have a nose gunner but instead had eight .50 caliber machine guns controlled by the pilot. In reply I would simply advise that if you dont believe in preserving history for future generations (and it cant be done in the bush) stay behind your computers and get out of the way so we can get on with the job. Same engines, same twin-engine configuration, same size, give it some gunsjust make it a lot faster and longer-legged.. . A G4M1 and a G6M1-L, whitewashed and given green-cross insignia, carried a group of Japanese officers assigned the job of arranging the details of surrender negotiations. At the moment that Captain Smith crashed the plane into the Empire State Building, Betty Lou Oliver was working on the 80 th floor as an elevator attendant. There was no self-sealing mechanism, which would have required a 1-inch-thick soft rubber layer weighing about 660 pounds, either inside or outside the fuel tanks, substantially reducing the tanks capacity. One highly regarded Japanese book about Bettys in combat is titled Wings of Flame. PacificWrecks covers Honjo had studied bomber design at the Junkers works in Germany, and was responsible for the G3M. Wendell Hanson flew many B-25s in the war, and many variants, At Sioux Falls last summer, a good friend of Alan happened to find us, and we were thrilled to see him! He took over work on the Betty after returning from a fact-finding trip to the U.S. in 1938. What is wreckage used for when exported? Is there anything left in PNG still worth salvaging? My parents had migrated to Australia on a Connie and I recall their various reminisce of their first flight in an airplane. Any corrections are verified and updated, CLARIFICATION When John and Patti handed us their father's briefcase on the grass of Grimes Field, we knew we had something special that day. Language: English. In May 1941 they performed their first missions in southeast China, perfecting the techniques for their future missions in Malaya and the Philippines. I FIRST TRAVELLED TO PNG IN 1984. It worked for a while, but increasingly inexperienced G4M crews and the chaos of night attacks rendered even these desperate measures ineffective. Despite a distinct military bent, my work over the last 30 years in vintage aviation has been about preserving aviation objects for future generations. What is wreckage used for when exported? THERE IS ALSO A CERTAIN ELEMENT OF URGENCY AS WRECKS ARE DISSAPEARING AT A FAIRLY RAPID RATE DUE TO MOTHER NATURE AND MAN. HOW MANY YEARS HAVE YOU BEEN CHASING ME? AS YOU HAVE NO EXPERIENCE IN THE RESTOIRATION BUSINESS I WOULD SUGGEST YOU GET YOURSELF INVOLVED IN A "DOWN TO THE LAST RIVET RESTORATION" FIND OUT WHAT IS INVOLVED WE WILL TALK AGAIN IN FIVE YEARS. AS PER PREVIOUS QUESTION, I WOULD SUGGEST YOUR READERSHIP SEEK OUT MORE SPECIFIC PUBLICATIONS WHERE THESES SORTS OF QUESTIONS ARE DEALT WITH IN DETAIL. THERE ARE SOME GENUINE CONCERNS BROUGHT ABOUT BY A COMMERCIAL SALVAGE OPERATION OPERATING OUT OF AUSTRALIA. YOU NEED TO TALK TO THE MUSEUM AND OR '75 SQUADRON'. The Japanese had become outstanding night pilots during the Sino-Japanese war, when they flew 500-mile missions in darkness purely by dead reckoning, sometimes serving as navigation lead ships for their own fighter escorts. The fuselage Hinomaru was outlined with a white square. The BETTY bomber crews had to fly within about 23 miles (37 km) of a target due to the Ohka 11's limited range. SURPLUS MATERIAL IS DONATED. Imperial Japanese Airways did in fact purchase the DC-4E in late 1939 and immediately handed it over to Nakajima, which was ordered to produce a four-engine heavy bomber, the G5N, based on the Douglas design. Rather, they are lacking the 'luxuries of life, CLARIFICATION Greinert was responsible for having its salvage permit re-issued]. Pre-Owned. In order to achieve the G4Ms great range and performance, he was forced to equip it with the largest possible fuel tanks and to forego rubberized self-sealing protection for them. Lincolnshire Aviation Heritage Centre's Lancaster bomber - known as Just Jane - is three years into a 10-year restoration project to get it airborne. White G4M that carried the Japanese surrender delegation, 1945. Leaving aviation objects outside to rot and be scrapped is not an option. It could hoist either one 800kg torpedo or 1,000kg of bombs. Mitsubishi tried again to reduce the bomber's tendency to burn. With no work done to date on P-38 project. NOT REALLY. Betty was actually a waitress in Pennsylvania. The Type 91 had been designed specifically for the Hawaii attack and Pearl Harbors shallow water, though there it was carried by single-engine, carrier-launched Nakajima B5N2 Kates. See more ideas about mitsubishi, wwii aircraft, imperial japanese navy. The Allies gave the G4M the reporting name Betty. Initial results were impressive, but the Navy shelved the bomber for a time in favor of a variant to be called the G6M1. Our Prime Minister John Howard has also honored the HARS recently with a personal visit and a $250,000 grant towards our new multimillion dollar facility in Albion Park. No one ever imagined it would grow to the organization it has today but it certainly has become one of the foremost organizations in the field of aviation preservation. What are your feelings about the 'Swamp Ghost'? The saga of this recovery would fill a book but needless to say we succeeded, despite the determined efforts of others, and today we have a Mk 21 Beaufighter under rebuild for the HARS flying collection. their recovery The white Bettys flew from Japan to Ie Shima, a small Okinawan island, where the Japanese were transferred to a C-54 and carried on to Manila to meet with Douglas MacArthur and his staff. From the first day of war until after the surrender, BETTY bombers saw service throughout the Pacific and Indian Oceans. Mitsubishi produced a total of 2,414 G4M airplanes but few remained when the war ended on August 15, 1945. The Nell was the scourge of China, ranging far and wide during the Sino-Japanese war that preceded WWII. It was Captain Francis Low who first came up with the idea to use air craft carriers to launch bomber planes from the sea instead of the mainland. License: Freeware - Free version, Do Not Redistribute. As the HARS army massed for the five year recovery plan one felt a personnel sense of achievement in having participated in the setting up of and running an organization that would lead to great works such as the Connies recovery to Australia. It was codenamed Betty by the Allies. If its a rainy day: Homeade chili (Large), 10 wings, Fire and BBQ Pork and cheese fries and a coke float and a brownie (Dont judge its cold out) If I get fired I love to order Spicy Buffalo Chicken Fries, The Blackout AND the Mustang burgers, and some Nachos to wash that all down with (Dont worry . Aug 21, 2018 - Explore Frank Castrillo's board "Mitsubishi G4M/G6M.Betty bomber", followed by 271 people on Pinterest. Mitsubishi G4M Betty of 4 Kokutai at low level flight. CERTAINLY GIVEN THE HIGH COST OF RECOVERY IN PNG AND I FAIL TO SEE HOW ANYONE CAN MAKE A PROFIT. Douglas couldnt have played its hand better if it had tried. IT HAD BEN ILLEGALLY REMOVED FROM THE TRADITIONAL LANDOWNERS PROPERTY IN THE EARLY 1970'S AND THEN ILLEGALLY ERRECTED AT THE AIRPORT (SO CALLED FOR TOURISM PURPOSES) EVENTUALLY THE LOCAL AUTHORITIES TOLD THE LANDOWNERS IN WRITING TO REMOVE THE CRAFT. Betty Bombers: Located inside the American Legion Post 135 building just off Forsyth Park, this retro eatery features freshly prepared American cuisine. HASNT BEEN DONE BEFORE ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. Two major portions survive: the nose including the entire flight deck, and ten feet of the fuselage. The aircraft is regularly flown to airshows throughout North America. One Betty on a bomb run against Lexington had an engine shot entirely off its mounts, by Lieutenant Butch OHare of ORD fame, and then did its best to crash into the carrier. In the early days of the Second World War Japan had no independent Air Force, so the Navy pushed the whole project through and got mass production started in the early 1940's. By all accounts she was a good aeroplane, with a long range which revolutionized air operations by the Japanese in the Pacific. The U.S. Army Air Forces would later try the same thing with its YB-40s, which were B-17s carrying 18 or even more .50-caliber guns, flying as formation escorts. Or, is it always cheaper to recover a 'real' wreck than to make new ones? The rubber mat shaved about 6 mph from the G4Ms speed and reduced range by almost 200 miles. The next time the Mitsubishi bombers attacked Allied ships, on February 20, 1942, they were after the U.S. carrier Lexington and its task force. For me it is two things. By the time these talks ended World War II, Bettys Dream carried 22 mission symbols and two silhouettes representing sunken Japanese ships. New Guinea National Museum to salvage aircraft, and is currently working to restore several aircraft and his own projects. This extremely rare Bell YP-59A Airacomet is under restoration to flying condition. (His friend Horikoshi seems to have taken the technique to heart in designing the Zero.) You have salvaged a variety of aircraft from PNG that were displayed at airports and their museum. Anything else you would like to add about yourself? Recently we were selected by the South Australian Government to repair and operate the Southern Cross replica. However, its agile escort flipped over and disappeared off Mooney's scope. He has reviewed information related to his activities. The B-25, 45-8835, switched hands a couple of times in Canada including, Aurora Aviation Ltd, G&M Aircraft Ltd and eventually ended up back in the United States at Aero Trader in Chino, CA in 1993. At the age of 19 I hauled back to Sydney with a friend the remains of an Avro Anson cockpit which was my first restoration effort. IAN WHITNEY WAS A MEMBER OF THE RECOVERY TEAM AND EVENTUALLY RECIEVED THE WORST AIRFRAME OF THE TWO SALVAGED. During World War 2, it was in service with the naval aviation. It could operate at 565 km/h at 6 km elevation and made into several variants to serve according to the requirements. Airpower proponent Billy Mitchell might have told them this was a dumb idea, having demonstrated in the early 1920s what bombers could do to capital ships. The website wreckchasing.com furthers the argument succinctly. IS QUITE LENGTHY, ONCE AGAIN I WOULD REFER YOU TO THE MUSEMS GUIDELINES. guns in the nose, atop the mid-fuselage behind the cockpit, and on both sides of the fuselage behind the wing. Had they tried putting a matching mat on the exterior top of the wing tanks as well, the airplane probably would never have gotten off the ground. for Alfred Hagen, CLARIFICATION Clear front, dorsal and rear turret canopies. G3Ms attacked in large vee formations of 27 aircraft stacked in nine mini-vees of three aircraft each, a formation-flying nightmare. SO YES IT IS PRICELESS BUT AS FAR AS ITS ALLEDGED HIGH VALUE I WOULDNT KNOW. APART FROM THE P47 PARTS ACQUIRED FOR OUR P47 PROJECT, WE WERE GIVEN THE TAIL OF [P-39F 41-38351] BY THE MUSEUM FOR OUR INHOUSE P-39 PROJECT. I PREFER TO HAVE THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF ORIGINAL MATERIAL IN THE REBUILD AS POSSIBLE AND I GO TO EXTRAORDINARY LENGTHS TO SEE THAT IS ACHIEVED. Four days later, two BETTY bombers landed at Ie Shima Island. What do you feel should be done with remaining relics of war. Its official designation is Mitsubishi Navy Type 1 attack bomber (, Ichishiki rikuj kgeki ki, Isshikirikuk) and was commonly referred to by Japanese Navy pilots as Hamaki (, "cigar", lit. Outside the collections of the National Air and Space Museum and The Air Museum - Planes of Fame, the majority of surviving Japanese aircraft were recovered from their battlefield resting places and subsequently restored. This year, the rear fuselage has been stripped . Maiden was flown by the incomparable Brent "Corsair Nut" Hecht In St. George Utah, 2 weeks ago. Many soldiers, sailors, and airmen gave their lives while training, fighting or being transported in military aircraft. Due to these qualities, it was a symbol of Japanese naval aviation. Six escorting Zeros flew guard but in a matter of seconds, the Air Corps pilots shrugged off the escorting fighters and sent both BETTYs crashing down in flames. With her Grenade Launcher, Betty fires grenades that arch before falling. export or removal, CLARIFICATION In August 1942, during the Guadalcanal campaign and this time escorted by fighters, 18 out of 23 attacking Bettys were shot downthe single worst G4M loss during the entire campaign. Honjo gave the Betty a full complement of guns in waist, dorsal-turret, nose and tail positions, and the roomy fuselage was intended to give the airplanes seven-man crew (later reduced to five when it became increasingly difficult to recruit aircrew) space to move around during long flights and to fill multiple positions. C-121C Serial 54-0157 was 'relegation to storage at Davis Monthan Air Base'. It is based at the Commemorative Air Force Museum in Mesa, Arizona, US. Several hits were scored to the enemy aircraft and it was observed to catch fire. SIMPLY THE PROPOSED RESTORERS LOVE OF HISTORY AND HIS DESIRE TO SEE IT SAVED Pappy Gunn, an engineer in Australia, removed the bombardier-navigator from his greenhouse compartment in the nose of a B-25 and found he could install eight forward-firing .50-caliber machine guns in the aircraft. The aircraft was probably based at Oppama Air Field near Yokosuka . The Mitsubishi G4M combines high speed, long range, and excellent aerodynamic shape. The only Betty remnant in Japan is owned by a wealthy automotive importer/exporter, Nobuo Harada. The white-painted airplane carried officials charged with arranging details of the Japanese surrender. It was not recovered, rather restored in Arizona & flew itself to Australia and is registered as VH-EAG. I have to live with it but I dont have to cooperate. $34.95. As the war dragged on, improved bombers failed to materialize so Mitsubishi fielded different versions of the G4M to fulfill new missions, and to eliminate the various weaknesses in the basic design. What do you feel should be done with remaining relics of war? Jim Morehead, who had flown in the Java campaign, was credited with three kills - added to his current two this was enough to . Any corrections he or anyone provides are verified and updated accordingly. Navy crews suffered 4,300 fatalities and 5,400 casualties, or seven percent of all crew casualties incurred during the entire Pacific war. Some sources claim that Japan bought the original Douglas DC-4 prototype, the unsuccessful triple-tail design called the DC-4E, to serve as a model for a four-engine G4M. 72" span. Anything else you wish to add about yourself? The bomber was designed mainly for long-range missions giving it a whopping payload capacity of 32 tons at a rage of 5,600 km. Unknown to the crew of the Abele, the G4Ms carried the new single-seat, piloted flying bombs in their open bomb bays. According to PIMA, P-47D was 'sold' to them, and two P-40Ks were 'donated' in the same transaction with Greinert, CLARIFICATION ONCE AGAIN THESE ARE ISSUES FOR GOVERNMENT TO DECIDE For the remainder of the war, the BETTY assembly line continued to run. It was a reliable plane and while many survived past the war, very few combat veteran B-25s remain. The plane was equipped with a top turret, waist guns and in later models a nose gun that was operated by the bombardier. Sentimental Journey (44-83514) is the nickname of a B-17G Flying Fortress bomber. Mitsubishis G4M bomber went by many names, but perhaps the most appropriate would have been flaming coffin.. I SUGGEST THAT ANYBODY CONTEMPLATING THIS SHOULD SPEAK TO SOMEBODY WHO HAS ACTUALLY DONE IT BEFORE THEY THEY RUSH OFF AND WASTE A WHOLE LOT OF TIME AND MONEY ON A VENTURE THAT MAY PROVE FINANCIALLY AND PHYSICALLY DAMAGING. The bomber crew (little Arthur Askey & co) try to avoid betrothal, while convincing the girls to update their traditions. A VERY SELECT SAMPLE FOR SPECIFIC PURPOSES IS MORE LIKE WHAT I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN. THESE GUYS RECENTLY CONDUCTED A SURVEY OF LILLY AND HELEN BOMBERS ON THE PNG NORTH COAST FOR POTENTIAL SALVAGE TO ORDER FOR AN AMERICAN COLLECTOR(S). TO ANSWER THE FIRST PART OF THIS QUESTION REQUIRES A VERY LONG AND DETAILED ANSWER AND ONE MORE SUITED TO A MORE SPECIFIC FORUM. LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THESE ARE MATTERS FOR GOVERNMENT. For the Betty, however, it was all downhill from there. For more information on donations and ways to give, please contact Liz Esparza at liz.esparza@planesoffame.org or call (909) 597-3722, ext. Robert Greinert with P-47 Why were tourist attractions taken? The Naval Aviation Museum's salvaged aircraft from Great Lakes are a mix of recoveries and illegal salvage seizures. ("Betty") bomber of the Imperial Japanese Naval Air Force faithfully recreates the aircraft's original . 35mm 860kv motors. Casualties were horrific. If that doesn't work then go into gmod and redownload the mod. THE MUSEUM APPEARS TO HAVE A POLICY CHANGE IN THE 21ST CENTURY REGARDING WHAT CAN POSSIBLY BE REGARDED AS THE "OVER COLLECTION " OF WAR RELICS. It was brought to the United States aboard a U. S. Navy aircraft carrier along with 145 other Japanese aircraft selected for test and evaluation. C-121C Serial 54-0157 was 'relegation to storage at Davis Monthan Air Base'. Physically, the G4Ms salient feature was a fat but graceful fuselage quite unlike the tapering configuration of typical WWII medium bombers. Co-piloted by Victor Tatelman, it escorted two Betty bombers carrying the Japanese peace envoys to Ie Shima on August 19, 1945, and again on the return mission from the conference in Manila with General MacArthurs staff. The G4M air wings eventually learned that daytime missions against well-defended U.S. ships would result in unacceptable losses. Judging by what Allen has done with other such acquisitions, it is possible that this Betty will someday fly again. Invariably those sources dont have a clue as to whats going on or how its actually happening but they still go out of their way to promote false facts. from Canada The G4M2 was a complete redesign but it did not overcome the airplane's vulnerability to Allied firepower. Speak about your work with established museums WETHER THE WRECK COMES OUT OR NOT IS A GOVERNMENT DETERMINATION. One specially detailed Betty crew was even assigned to seize a Superfortress and fly it back to Japan. Five minutes later, three G4M Betty bombers were spotted approaching the vessel at 20,000 feet up. What do you say to those worldwide who would like to visit this wreck, and see it remain there the way the war left it? An MXY7 Ohka Model 11 suicide attack plane can be installed in place of the bombbay, or displayed on a carrier. Ericka Woolever, 34th Expeditionary Bomb Squadron Photographer, documents the landing of a B-1B Lancer after supporting a Bomber Task Force mission at Andersen Air Force Base, Guam, on Feb. 21, 2023. The two rearmost and outermost Nells were, no surprise, found to suffer the highest casualties from opposing fighters. Contributing editor Stephan Wilkinson recommends for further reading: Mitsubishi G4M Betty, by Martin Ferkl, and Mitsubishi Type 1 Rikko Betty Units of World War 2, by Osamu Tagaya. HistoryNet.com is brought to you by HistoryNet LLC, the worlds largest publisher of history magazines. A WW2 bomber crashes on an island that turns out to be inhabited by an all-female society, whose mating rituals entail the death of the male. I RECOVER IN ORDER THAT HISTORY CAN BE SAVED FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS. Tell About Yourself and your background I BELIEVE PEOPLE WILL ENJOY IT. CLARIFICATION The savings in airframe weight allowed the G4M to attack targets at unprecedented ranges. Speak about your Vanuatu recovery of P-40Fs The Japanese might have thought that amusing, but they called the Mitsubishi G4M Rikko, truncating their phrase for land-based attack bomber. (The G4Ms predecessor, the Mitsubishi G3M Nell, was also called Rikko.). The end had arrived for the Japanese and the BETTY bomber. | Designed by Brent Peterson Digital Ink. Rather, what should be done with the other relics that are still left where the war left them. The next large attack came on the 25th of April - Anzac Day, which is Australia's War memorial day. I TRADE PARTS GLOBALLY SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU CANT GET A LOT OF THE STUFF NEEDED FROM THE JUNGLE. THE PROBLEM FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU (JUSTIN TAYLAN) IS THAT I STARTED SAVING HISTORYAND RESTORING WHEN YOU WERE GETTING OUT OF NAPPIES. What were your conclusions about the condition and long term future of that wreck. Assigned to an unknown Kktai (Air Group). During the Malaya campaign, they took . CLARIFICATION Greinert was/is SITTING IN A KUNAI PATCH FOR SIXTY YEARS IS NOT GOING TO PUT FOOD IN THE MOUTHS OF THEIR CHILDREN OR GET THEM THE CRITICAL MEDICINES THEY NEED. Hand held and operating through a 20-degree arc, it required a pursuing fighter to voluntarily position itself within the cannons tiny field of fire, though this limitation was removed in later versions of the Betty. The firm changed the wing to a single-spar configuration and installed self-sealing fuel tanks with a capacity about one-third less than earlier versions. 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